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the topmost levels of government."I guess that kinda where we differ. As long as I can remember, it was considered an idealistic overreaction to think of the NSA as a bad actor (with perhaps good intentions). Even channels like Discovery have changed a lot in the past decade. If Greenwald came out and said that he had evidence of all of this stuff about the NSA, and he wrote endlessly about it but never actually released any of the evidence, I would be skeptical. (Which is why I appreciate so much what Snowden did.)Online discussion gets treated with a dose of salt big enough to gag a horse. Nearly everybody claims to know more about a subject than they actually do, because online, the person with the most conviction wins, so it almost impossible to separate fact from fiction. It takes me around a month now to get through 500 pages. but there a bit of a jump from there to "corrupt". The NSA now looks to be totally corrupt from the top to the bottom, thanks to the evidence that been brought to light.

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and now let discuss whether or not it is something that should continue."I add finally, that yes apparently we should be surprised because the same closet fascists now adopting this whole grizzled "wise to how the world works" persona have previously spent the last few decades strongly claiming that the NSA would never flagrantly violate the constitution in this manner, that they were stalwart defenders of America and apple pie. The former is definitely a bog standard apologist tactic (though I argue that it been around for a lot longer than just Snowden; it basically the neo con anthem, and neocons aren exactly in the "closet"), but the latter couldn be more different from apologia.> I add finally, that yes apparently we should be surprised because the same closet fascists now adopting this whole grizzled "wise to how the world works" persona have previously spent the last few decades strongly claiming that the NSA would never flagrantly violate the constitution in this manner, that they were stalwart defenders of America and apple pie. You can see the same sort of evolution with torture, where the people proclaiming that it is a "necessary" action in today ruthless dog eat dog worldAgain, you mixing up two different views. "People who actually paid attention before it was fashionable" doesn consist only of the people defending this bullshit, it also consists of plenty of people that were protesting it. I know it makes you feel better about ignoring this for so long to pretend that the only people paying attention were apologists, but that just flat out, 100% wrong.

"""Does anyone else find this to be the case too? I feel like the actions of taxpayer funded agencies like the CIA have been despicable for decades, and I puzzled as to why this is the first time that people seem to actually care (which, don get me wrong, is great). Nike Force Trainers

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Well I guess he falls in the "I am complicit giving over your stuff to the government" side of things. "The biggest surprise for me was that people were so shocked, because I thought we been funding this agency for 50 years that has tens of thousands of employees and spends tens of billions of dollars a year."

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I would not under almost any circumstances, including the revelation that he was working directly with the FSB when he decided what to leak, use the word "traitor" to describe a national security leaker. The valence of Andreesen feelings about Snowden isn at all weird. Lots of people share the perspective that Snowden is doing more harm than good, but people on HN seem to have a hard time believing that. Which I doubt; it too interesting, and the most boring narrative always wins. The crime of treason, alone among all other crimes, is defined in the text of Article III, and that definition requires intent, either to harm the US or to overtly aid the cause of an enemy of the US. Treason is just not one of them.

A lot of this makes sense, thanks for the thorough explanation of your perspective. It a little easier to understand how people could have such a stronger reaction.> Spying for the sake of the War on Terror and against enemy states and all that is one of those things you grudgingly accept as part of the real world. But spying on our allies?This has happened always and forever; it always been a standard tool of statecraft. Again I not making any moral judgment, but to me this was the LEAST surprising of all the unsurprising revelations (and in fact this is something that I thought even John Q. Layman knew about).> So, for me, the Snowden leaks moved the NSA from, "spooky, secretive, well funded spy organization filling a necessary role," to, "totally out of control freaks that lost the plot years ago and seem to have set their hooks into Air Force Sneakers Price

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For those of us who gave a shit before Snowden, I feel like there was a sense of being resigned to the fact that most people (even in tech circles like HN) simply don care; similar to something like climate change. I know that these revelations are relatively novel in that they involve surveillance of Americans data as well as foreign nationals, but that was the case for warrantless wiretapping in the 2000s. Echelon was more or less an open secret for a while, but even then there wasn much information available about how it was being used just that communications were being collected and searched. It the difference between, "There are data centers monitoring internet traffic," and, "here a slide on an NSA presentation for software that will give you any person entire browser history."Second, there the Nike Air Force Vermelho extent to which communications systems were being compromised. Taps on undersea cables and major backbones? Sure. The assumption was always that it was impractical for the NSA or other agencies to store a lot of data about every person. Spying for the sake of the War on Terror and against enemy states and all that is one of those things you grudgingly accept as part of the real world. But spying on our allies? What are they trying to accomplish there? What are they trying to gain that worth the risk of being found out and pissing off your friends?So, for me, the Snowden leaks moved the NSA from, "spooky, secretive, well funded spy organization filling a necessary role," to, "totally out of control freaks that lost the plot years ago and seem to have set their hooks into the topmost levels of government."

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I remember reading years ago about a giant data center being built in Utah for the NSA with the express purpose of collecting electronic data sent in the continental US. It was in Time magazine or something similar, and it wasn really that big of a deal. That what they do. They using every legal avenue they have to collect as much information as possible. Whereas before they could claim that we are being paranoid and there would be no real comeback to that, and thus our points could be safely dismissed, at least now one can reply "No we shouldn be surprised, Nike Air Force 1 Size 7

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